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From actually doing security and compliance(ISO, PCI, FCA) related work within the EU, as for getting fired for installing Skype, you can get fired for installing any unauthorized software in a company with a strict computer use and computer security policy.

I use skype to communicate with German clients including in the banking sector like ING-DiBa, so anecdotal evidence aside not every company has some aversion from US companies not to mention that Amazon is pretty much handing out free AWS credits in every large accelerator in Europe (If you want anecdotal German examples then Deutsche Bank's innovation hub in Berlin) including fin-tech and health care specific accelerators and the participants are eating them up (and if you want bigger companies than AWS's case studies have quite a few of big German clients https://aws.amazon.com/de/solutions/case-studies/all/ including Siemens health care solutions and Software AG, and Nuremberg's Airport so 2 regulated industries, and the 2nd largest German software house). With the exception of 1 startup in the current Barclay's accelerator run in London every company in IIRC is running on AWS because of that, heck some companies in the the MSFT accelerator across the hall are using AWS even tho that Azure is pretty much complementary.

Big companies always are slow in adapting new technologies but it doesn't mean that there is some generic no cloud or non US policy in it, yes if you are handling data protected under local and EU data directives you need assurances but if you can achieve those or flex them enough to maintain compliance you will be able to use them.

Yes if you are giant org that has it's own data centers and 100% control over all of it's assets you won't be jumping on the cloud bandwagon and you are more likely to deploy a "private cloud" in house which is just a fancy word to say that you will have more modern resource management and deployment infrastructure, and sure the likes of Rackspace are still considerably more popular in Europe (as they are in the US) than AWS as far as managed services go mostly because they've existed for much longer and they still offer traditional types of managed infrastructure / data center as well as cloud-ish products.

You are also way way over estimating the impact of the Snowden leaks on the industry.



When avoiding US Services it's not about the whole company. At least 4 DAX companies research departments I know about enforce GPG Crypted mail transport since Snowden. Everything else bounces. The same companies asked us to exclude the US and the UK out of sensible data routes. I know that's not gonna do it, and there's a lot more to do but... I know that you know why I can't go into further details.


Research departments have always had different operational procedures, 4-5 years ago i did a project for a company called Interhyp(financial services mostly finance management loans and mortgages) in the building across them there was a Siemens facility which had cell jammers that leaked through the street if you were too close well tough luck.

Different departments and subsidiaries will operate according to different procedures based on the specific threats and requirements, this happens even in already highly regulated and restricted fields for example Lockheed Martin'a Skunk Works and Boeing's Phantom Works operate on a completely different level than their civilian and even military BAU aerospace departments when it comes to operational security and secrecy.

Not every company, and not every department can and has to operate using the same ruleset, departments that are relatively sensitive or can afford to work under stringent rules may do so, departments that can't or don't really need too won't, life isn't binary there's more than 2 ways to skin a cat ;)


Cell jammers? Shit these are illegal no matter where you want them...


Depends where and for what use, some company in the US got hit in the rear because of that, but if you are working in the defense industry you might get exempted, heck in South Africa there was a scandal this year when they jammed the signal inside the parliament even tho it was illegal. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Reports-of-a-cell...




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