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I have no problem with banning alcohol at work. Even though it was present in almost every office I worked at, I failed to see the benefits, and I did witness some of the drawbacks. I have nothing against consuming it, just do it somewhere else, and not near people you'd be embarrassed to work with the next day.

As for swearing, I never really understood the PC approach in offices. English is my second language, so English swear words were used daily when I grew up. When I just started working in the US, I had to train myself to avoid uttering 'shit' when something hit the fan. But the I found out some people are offended by 'damn', and 'hell' (will never get that. Do they think they won't go there if they avoid saying it?).

So everyone has words that offend them - big whoop. I'm offended by words like 'synergy', 'disrupt' and 'scrum' but I never told people to avoid them near me.

However, in certain contexts, swear words can create a negative work environment. Uttering 'fuck' when something hits your foot is completely different than using it as a verb in a story, in front of other employees. As with alcohol - do use, but in moderation, and at the right time and place.



Your points are valid, but they ignore the fact that there was a more permissive company culture, then it was changed to be more restrictive.

Behavioral economists have studied this type of change and it can seriously affect relationships (there was a famous study of an Israeli day care that started charging parents a fee if they picked up their child late, then tried to change back to the previous policy). Having a benefit then losing it makes people feel like something is being taken from them (even if Jet can still have off-campus happy hours).

That said, I don't know how much I care. WalMart has a reputation and if you are part of a company that chooses to be bough out by WalMart, you have to expect that some big things will change. Hopefully the Jet execs set expectations correctly.


> (there was a famous study of an Israeli day care that started charging parents a fee if they picked up their child late, then tried to change back to the previous policy)

I see that you too have read Dan Ariely's Predicably Irrational :)

Recommended reading for everyone else, by the way. It was an enlightening on the topic of socio-economics, or the application of psychology to economics.


Was Jet privately owned and bought outright by WalMart in a private deal? I thought they already had an IPO, in which case it wasn't their "choice".


Swearing can lead to later charges of harassment and verbal abuse. Alcohol can lead to situations where conversations and/or moves can be later interpreted as sexual harassment.

Chances that an ex-employee (or a vendor, or a customer visiting the office) will sue a small startup for that are nearly nil - the litigation is too laborious and costly. Chances that a $230 billion corp will be taken to court are somewhat larger than nil.

Even if the plaintiff loses or settles the case, the media still has a field day with it.

Do shareholders of WMT want that liability?


Stifling an established company culture and the existing behavior patterns of employees can lead to talented people leaving out of frustration. Do the shareholders of WMT want to risk devaluing their acquisition?


Examples of other companies with "an established company culture and the existing behavior patterns of employees" include Uber and Binary Capital.


For me, swearing (and hearing it) has a strong emotional component. While I don't consider it offensive really, there's a moment of distracting shock. Someone using rough language casually in speech is a little bit grating. Things tend to offend me based on their meaning, not on whether they're in my culture's fairly arbitrary list of "crude language".

In contrast, outside of English, swearing doesn't bother me much. No shock. No offense. Maybe that's your experience, as well.


The benefits are that it is a employee perk that makes employees happier.

Sometime the people you work with are your friends. And sometimes people like to go out with their friends.

Companies that disallow alcohol will have a hardier time attracting employees, as that kind of uptight company doesn't sound like it would be pleasant to work at.


I don't understand why you need alcohol at work so bad you wouldn't want to work there without it. To me, that sounds like a dependency issue or possible wanna-be-fratboy-ism.

Booze is awesome but there's a time and place for it. If someone gets loaded at work enough to impair their ability to drive, then gets into an accident and injures or kills someone, their employer (in the US at least) could be liable in part. It's one thing to go out with your coworkers after work, or maybe even have a beer over lunch before going back to work, and it's another to need booze on premises.


Look, it is not a need, it is one factor among many.

Having draconian alcohol policies is a negative, and it can be weighed against the pros and cons of working there.

Maybe the pros out weight the singular drawback of uptight HR representives. But maybe it doesn't, and that one negative among many negatives is enough to push someone over the edge of not working there.

Ex:if the pay is higher then maybe I'd still take the job.

I don't really care about employer liability. That is their problem, not mine.


It's not the lack of alcohol, it's because HR are dictating culture. Beyond health and safety, the law or contractual obligations HR shouldn't be dictating this.

We're all adults, use your best judgement. Companies and offices should be able to have mature conversations around this without it being dictated.


At Stanford in academic dept, we had wine and beer social parties at work and at dept chair's house. No sexual harassment, no brogrammers and no calling the cops. Everyone went home sober enough.


Would you say the same about coke or ecstasy?


Those are both illegal and can cause much more problems than alcohol.

Not many people do coke and ecstacy. Whereas the vast majority of the population drink alcohol to some extend.


>Uttering 'fuck' when something hits your foot is completely different than using it as a verb in a story, in front of other employees.

Maybe the employees didn't demonstrate the same level of judgement. Act like children, get treated like children.

Another possibility is they want people near clients and visitors to be more proper.

I don't know I hope it's more than just not trusting the employees.


They probably didn't demonstrate the same level of judgment. Most people are clueless.

I have a coworker who uses "fuck you" as a casual insult or joke. Can't get him to stop and no one will make him stop because "he doesn't mean any harm by it".


To play devils advocate if he doesn't mean any harm by it and everyone's aware he doesn't, is it still an issue?




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