Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

This is why I think our legal system is not really compatible with the world of surveillance. Everyone has something to hide, therefore everyone has something to fear.


That's why the universal panoramic panopticon is desirable for society's weak. When all can spy on all, everyone's crimes are public and whether you're the homeless man on the streets of SF or celebrated lawyer Jeff Adachi, the programmatic police will come for you.

Fair, just, unbiased. And therefore a scary situation for people like me who willfully violate the law but are generally safe from prosecution. This is power and advantage I don't want to give up.


Except we don't have universal access to really good lawyers.


...or "fuck you" money.


Where's the incompatibility? Sounds exactly on the money to me.


If you want a society that doesn't run on corruption then it's incompatible.


You and I want that, but let's not assume anything about the people who decide these things.


Lets. Any model that depends on intentional evil at every level is likely wrong.

The more likely reality is that politicians think they are doing what their constituents want by passing laws to address what they are currently complaining about. And constituents rarely complain about existing laws so the only natural way for the government to go is more laws and more regulations.

When’s the last time you heard a politician run on the platform of getting rid of laws? Even the Republicans who run on less regulation generates far more legislation than repealed.


> Any model that depends on intentional evil at every level is likely wrong.

This is unfounded (do you have any sort of backing for this ridiculously bold claim?), historically inaccurate (in nearly every generation, there's at least one mass-murdering regime born), and isn't actually relevant to the question (evil at every level discounts those who aren't involved, those that are victims, and those that are powerless to stop the evil).

The rest of your comment is spot on. The unfortunate truth is that people who are elected have the skills required to be elected, not the skills required to lead. Our legislative system is designed to encourage childish bickering, which is attractive to people with old faces and childish personalities. The system is built around the idea that the president will be the "adult in the room" and apply a considered direction to the children to mediate their bickering; it seems that doesn't work well.


You think evil requires intention? I have no idea what "model" you might be talking about.

On HN we are often downvoted for cautioning against unwarranted assumption. Meanwhile elaborate theories that just happen to affirm how great life is for everyone we care about in this best of all possible worlds are quite popular. In 2020. Good grief.

The fact that no politicians campaign in a way that would appeal to most citizens is no surprise. Our congress passed the trillion-dollar covid bailouts (that contained nothing to help normal citizens get health care) nearly unanimously.


Evil is ironically done with the best of intentions.

For the record - the federal bailout helped many business owners I know personally keep people on the payroll, and many unemployed friends (from food service and travel industry) able to keep paying their rent. With COVID’s 99% survivability rate for most of the working population, I think those benefits took priority over a healthcare stipend. Not trashing the idea of fixing healthcare at all, but given a limited bag of cash and choices to make, keeping people housed and fed en masse is arguably higher on the priority list than a healthcare half measure (if that).


I begrudge no small business anything they got. What they got, however, pales in comparison to the "open the Fed" measures that gave all the big guys access to trillions of dollars of "free" capital. Just as in the last recession, this giant transfer from the public to the assholes will destroy small firms and reward 2B2F firms.


Maybe he’s assuming a dystopia run by an all knowing and always consistent computer?

A legal system that no one in a functioning society can live without causing offenses will lead to a non-functioning state, if enforced.


It's actually worse for selective enforcement. That allows essentially prosecution for nothing against anyone currently out of favor with the powers that be. It obscures this deliberate corruption by hiding it behind a veneer of legalism, and allows apologists to claim "if they didn't want to be arrested, they shouldn't have done X". It erodes the idea of laws being backed by justice, and makes them simply another tool of the powerful against the powerless.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: