Here you get 20GB for 20 euro on prepaid with unlimited calling (which I never use at all - all my calls are on Whatsapp etc :') ). Or 5GB for 10 euro. I use the 20 euro plan as my 4G backup for when my fibre goes down and I worked a whole week off the 20GB during the first lockdown when there was such an issue (I do shut down some stuff like steam downloads and netflix with a script on my router when it's on failover). It really saved my bacon. The good thing about it is that it's even prepaid so I can just load money up on it when I need it.
Strange thing is, we have 3 mobile operators here too (not counting the many MVNOs). Shouldn't be a barrier to decent competition. If you have more than 3 the available radio spectrum starts getting diluted anyway.
Our carriers argue that the country is huge and the population is low, so providing service/upgrades across it is expensive, in Toronto I'm effectively subsidizing a village of 6 somewhere random up north. However... this explanation is mostly bullshit at this point in time.
While that is true it is a simplification. There are providers that service only the main populations such as FREEDOM (was WIND). However many people decided against these because they have to pay extra when leaving the city, such as visiting a cottage or going camping. So there is at least some market demand for providing wide coverage included in your base plan.
(I don't really understand it though, because Freedom Mobile has agreements to roam on the other networks and while the cost is much increased, for people who leave the city once every month or two it doesn't add up to the cost of the more expensive providers. These days Freedom even includes some included roaming in their plans, presumable to help customers see this line of thinking.)
I believe freedom uses worse frequencies that don't penetrate walls as well. I left freedom when I'd randomly flip between roaming and not inside my house.
When Wind was around, the Egyptian billionaire owner gave an interview saying that if he could take his entire investment out of Canada at a 10% haircut he would do it in an instant. Wind operates in 170 countries. He compared Canada to China and North Korea.
More here if you're bored. I would also say to Americans looking to move to Canada in light of... recent events, be prepared to be frustrated with the lack of choice in banks, telecom, grocery chains, and doctors.
https://financialpost.com/telecom/tight-reins-leaves-our-tel...
It is bullshit. On regions where there’s a strong local competitor (videotron in Quebec, Sasktel in Saskatchewan) the big three do lower their prices and offer more competitive plans - so they do have significant wiggle room without sacrificing a ton of profit.
There was even a way to, say, register a phone number in Saskatchewan and use it in say Ontario, leveraging a cross-carrier agreement to basically use Rogers or Bell infrastructure at Sasktel prices. I think they found and closed this loophole, though.
I have been to towns up north with larger populations (one to two thousand people) and no cellular service. There are also towns where service means one tower to service the town itself, but no coverage outside of town.[1] I suspect the actual costs come from down south, where there is an expectation of coverage in lower density areas and along transportation corridors.
[1] It is also plausible they installed the tower to reduce the cost of phone service. There are cases where a microwave tower is necessary to deliver any communication service to the area, so the tower is already there to provide cellular service.
in russia unlimited mobile traffic with hundreds of minutes on average among 4 major carriers cost about 6-14 usd
And the only difference in costs for them compared to canada is labor cost, which is not a big part of their business model.
MVNOs are not allowed in Canada. The 3 carriers have even paid for economic studies that state it would be devastating to the the telecom market and innovation. They also own media conglomerates, who 'independently' agree.
MVNOs would only disrupt their ability to buy sports teams. This does come up in elections, but so far they have gotten away with window dressing.
> MVNOs are not allowed in Canada. The 3 carriers have even paid for economic studies that state it would be devastating to the the telecom market and innovation.
Like the devastation it brought to all the other countries where it's been a success? :D
Sometimes I don't know how these lobbyists manage to make this stuff up.
Seems like the mobile industry and ISPs in Canada have the same problem as in Australia: too few people across too wide a space. The incumbents will only agree to improve and service their network if they are given protected positions by their government. Leads to results like 10Mbps fibre NBN "broadband" and CAD$80+/mo plans for 30GB of data. Far inferior to that enjoyed by UK and Europe.
Here in the UK I am paying around £23 for truly unlimited, including unlimited hotspot usage (no, not the type with an actual limit in the smallprint).
For a period of about two months I was tethering my smart TV to my phone while the broadband was being upgraded and was a bit shaky. I was using around 200GB a month.
The pricing chart on that page is for customers who are not smart enough to shop around. I have lived both in the US and Canada and in the US I used to pay 120USD for 6 lines with 2.5GB data per line(T-mobile). In Canada currently I am paying 20CAD per month for 1.5GB data (Public Mobile).
I pay $95/year right now for a prepaid 1GB/Mo, unlimited talk & text plan. Sometimes I go outside of the cellular network and yeah it's only 2G in most areas, but the only thing I need cellular for outside of my home is GPS or to quickly pull up a site for information. The predominant amount of my data usage is through wifi at home and places I trust.
It looks like they now upped the allowance to 65GB (35 standard and 30 as temporary "gift" :) ). Didn't even realise that. They often have temporary deals like that. I mainly use my work SIM in my phone.
I think there's even better deals available here in Spain but I use Orange because they have a cell on top of this building and the 4G coverage is full bars (high buildings around so the signal reflects back to me).
Do the Polish telcos also all operate in these spaces?
- Newspapers
- TV stations/channels
- Radio stations
- Content streaming services (a la Netflix)
- Land-based telco (phone, cable, fiber)
- Wireless telco
Each of the providers in Canada does all of those things to some degree or other and because they own news outlets they wield a lot of political influence. Combine that with the fact that most of the people who have been in charge of our telco regulator have ties to these media conglomerates, it becomes pretty clear it's a captured market. So much so that it's newsworthy when someone actually doesn't just rubber stamp everything[1]. It also means external competition is limited to being unprofitable, so newcomers who enter the market don't tend to stay long and generally just get bought out by the incumbents.
It's a mess and no political party seems to think it's an issue worth pursuing.
In this case, I think they have an established status quo, with different providers being the clear winner in certain markets, so they don't compete directly. At least, not very much.
No, it's because telcos cartels are illegal in Europe and there are actual consequences. European telcos are no saints at all but they occasionally get fined and things are a little better for a few years.
I think that's what antimonopoly laws are for. As a Russia citizen, mobile and internet prices in supposedly more technologically advanced countries just blow my mind.
It was like that in Poland before Play joined the market, I remember watching TV and there were ads from established network simply attacking Play "In Orange you can have X, which is 15% better than our competitor <Play logo in background>"
Cant edit this anymore. But telecom prices were stagnating in Poland for a long time, then Play joined the forces and in 3 years prices were cut at least 50% on everything. The trick was that Play built their own IT-telecom infrastructure, not based on existing from Orange.
I don't know about that, but in CZ (right next to PL), there are 3 telecom companies and competition is pretty much non-existent. You can save some money by switching, but you'd need to do that every year, as those better offers come with an expiration. After many years, I've recently started to think about just cancelling it, because that's probably the only way to let these companies know that they can stick those offers up their...
Fixed lines, on the other hand, are fast, cheap and there's no data cap.
> The Big 3 Canadian telecom companies (Bell, Rogers and Telus) own 90% of the market and charge higher prices due to a lack of competition.