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[flagged] Research shows why hunting for the cheapest plane ticket is a waste of time (phys.org)
40 points by wglb on Oct 13, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


The research is based on data from only one airline not cross-sectional data across multiple airlines. The title of the article is a reach.

The people hunting for the cheapest plane ticket don't restrict themselves to one airline only. There might be little variation in fare from day to day for one airline but across airlines there can be significant difference, specially on international routes.

Last week, I booked a roundtrip flight from Japan to India for next month. The price variation between airlines was 9x for same dates/week while there was little variation less than 10% for different days within a week for same airline.


Sounds like a good strategy would be to simply choose an airline and just buy the ticket.

If one knows that he is flying internationally six months out, is there a good strategy?


Depends on how exact it has to be? If I know I have to fly out I just try to book the tickets early.

If I'm choosing a vacation goal I might stay flexible and wait for any offer that's attractive and let the flight choose my destination.


I've recently realized that looking for the cheapest deal, unless short on cash, is a totally worthless endeavor because of the stress it adds to the whole process. In no particular order, various problems I've encountered with low-cost airlines:

  - Bad, buggy order flows
  - High fees for changing flights if you make a mistake
  - Impossibility of getting a cash refund
  - Lack of legroom
  - Frequent delays
  - Understaffed check-in desks
  - Lack of human customer service
  - Bad safety record
It's just. not. worth it.


I get all of these with major airlines now, they've adapted. Except for maybe the bad safety record.


Some of the biggest low cost airlines in the world (Ryanair, Southwest) have stellar safety records. Their model doesn't work if there are safety concerns - 40€ roundtrip to Ibiza makes the pain of the lack of legroom and luggage policies and shitty airports/terminals worth it for many, but not if they're known as unsafe.


Never checked those to be honest. But makes sense.


That's the point. It is a feature, not a bug. the extra pain and work allows airlines to sell to one person for 2X and another at 1X.

It is the same as coupons at grocery stores.


This is a clickbait title that is totally unsupported by the article itself.

The article just confirms what people do:

> The same can happen with plane tickets: when people visit a website like Google flights or Kayak and search for a ticket, a wide range of different flights from the same airline appear. Travelers tend to make selections that balance convenience and price. The price of one flight might push people to select a slightly less convenient but cheaper flight.

The article then describes certain aspects of how airlines set prices, but it never substantiates the headline claim about comparing fares being a waste of time.



It's not surprising to me at all that the lights are on but nobody is home. There's the interesting fact that airlines really struggle to make money consistent and the phenomenon is consistent enough that several books have been written on it.


i just use the hopper app and get decent deals, got a round trip to vegas for under 40 bucks multiple times via that app


Why would I ever use something that should be on the web, when it must be used in an app? They clearly want to mine data or something equally nefarious; there is no discernible good reason for it.


Well, the reason is self-evident: $40 round-trip flight to Vegas.


There is no way they have an exclusive on those deals. I will find them elsewhere, if I ever want to go to that place.


"Consolidator fares", where a travel agency buys up a large block of tickets for a flight at steep discount and resells them exclusively via their own channels are absolutely a thing, and have been for ages.

The catch is the travel agencies that do this are aiming for the absolute lowest total cost to stay competitive, and don't factor in overhead for trivial things like "customer support" in the price. And if something goes wrong, the airline will insist that you have to talk to your travel agency for help. So they can be a great deal as long as you're lucky enough to never have to call them due to irrops.)

As a general rule, this is why most frequent fliers insist that you should always book directly via the airline's website, even if it sometimes costs more.


Very confused article. Hopefully the original paper (paywall) isn't.


I expect many HN readers have come across an article in their “area of expertise” and wanted to confidently shout to the world “OMG THIS IS SO WRONG!”

This is my moment.

I can’t read the actual paper, so possibly it’s just badly reported here, but the summary article has deeply wrong statements.

> “airlines also don't incorporate the prices of their competitors in their automated price-setting”

So wrong.

Spend some time on Flyertalk’s “Premium Fare Deals” forum[1]. One of the most common things you’ll find is that as soon as one airline or alliance starts discounting a route, others will often follow.

Maybe OneWorld (British Airways, American etc.) have a sale on transcontinental flights from the West Coast to London. You can bet that Star Alliance (United and Lufthansa etc.) are gonna follow suit, and there’s a good chance SkyTeam (Delta and KLM etc.) will soon too.

Happens all the time, and if this study didn’t find it, it’s a bad study making flawed conclusions.

Happens in shorter domestic routes too. Southwest just did a huge basically 50% off sale, and you can see tons of other carriers lowering their prices to match on routes where they compete.

> “But for now, the hunt for an undiscovered trick to find lower fares is largely futile. “

The only true part of that sentence is “undiscovered”.

Airline pricing is incredibly, incredibly variable. I once flew business class from Europe to the West Coast for $280, on a ticket that’s typically $3,000. (This was likely an “error fare”, the result of someone accidentally leaving out a zero, but it happened and I flew it).

That’s the top of my “good deals on flights” trophy case, but whether you’re paying cash or using miles, there are so, so many different ways to save money on tickets.

I once thought I’d done everything possible to find a great deal, and tried out one of those ticketing services that promises to save you money for a fee. They moved the ticketing location from the US to Canada, and due to the vagaries of currencies and airline pricing, managed to save me another 12% on the (already quite discounted) flight.

I expect this study’s conclusion is so deeply flawed because they looked at too limited of a data set. Perhaps they’re correct and, for example, the price of an economy class flight between LAX and JFK on a Thursday evening doesn’t change much. But in aggregate, the cost of getting from point a to point b on an airplane, especially over transcontinental distances is incredibly variable, and deal hunting can be incredibly rewarding.

[1] https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premium-fare-deals-740/




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