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Good! It’s high time we put in some protectionary measures to protect our domestic laptop assemblers!


For the low, low price of dooming Ukraine, rebooting Guantanamo Bay, and oppressing non-binary people :)


You forget to also mention the Gaza Riviera...

The US should become the 11th province of Canada. "South Saskatchewan" might be a good name for it.


"Canada's Pants"


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Freedom of movement / right to travel is a human right which is being denied to US citizens on the basis of their gender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement


> Fox handed over the documents, paid, and received a slip for pickup of her [sic] passport after January 28

> she [sic] was ultimately able to collect her [sic] new ID documents — albeit with the male identity marker — on February 3.

So less than a week of delay during a transitionary period? That is after messing up the application with wrong information.


Come on. Biden wanted the Ukraine war to weaken Russia which is why he never mentioned ceasefire. Gitmo is a scare tactic to stop immigration. NB people are not recognized but they can choose a gender. All This simplifies a huge number of issues.

You can argue that he should be spending time on such matters. And for that I would be with you. But what about ism is not a response to a tariff increase.


Funny how you don't mention what Ukraine wants. They're not interested in a ceasefire, never have been, because they know that just gives Russia the advantage and means Russia will eventual take all of Ukraine.

People like you would have us negotiating with people who steal and defraud us as to how much they get to keep, instead of seeking actual safety and justice.


They want Nothing. But want the war to stop. But Zelensky is a comedian. He asked for being in Nato which started the whole war


You're literally repeating Russian propaganda.

Even the simplest googling of the Ukrainian views on the war would reveal that none of that is true or relevant.


Ukraine doesn’t want the war to stop? Claiming they do is repeating Russian propaganda?

Biden was using Ukraine like Nixon used Afghanistan against the Russians.


Ukraine wants Russia to leave. They want the war to stop, but they aren't willing to agree to any terms. They don't want a Minsk 3 or worse.


I wonder what it is about the liberally minded that causes a marked preference for death and decay.

Stopping people from two closely related cultures from killing each other is "dooming". Fighting until the last Ukrainian is "supporting".

Why can't Gaza be more like Dubai? Are you saying its people are somehow inferior and must depend on your handouts forever?

Cleaning up Oakland is "gentrification" but letting criminals run the show is "cultural sensitivity". You have a dim view of the culture you are supposedly protecting then, no?

I could go on and on.


> Stopping people from two closely related cultures from killing each other is "dooming". Fighting until the last Ukrainian is "supporting".

It won't really stop anything, and it justify the unprovoked aggression of a country toward another and reward them for it. Something the U.S stood against when Irak invaded Kuwait, so it is clearly not about "the people".

> Why can't Gaza be more like Dubai? Are you saying its people are somehow inferior and must depend on your handouts forever?

Because they are nothing alike ? Gaza doesn't have a large access to a limited and desired resources worldwide. It have an decade old embargo preventing its growth.

> Cleaning up Oakland is "gentrification" but letting criminals run the show is "cultural sensitivity". You have a dim view of the culture you are supposedly protecting then, no?

I honestly didn't even understood this one.


> Stopping people from two closely related cultures from killing each other is "dooming"

You only need to stop one - Russia, and this "they're brotherly nations" narrative is irrelevant and ridiculous.

> Fighting until the last Ukrainian is "supporting".

How about we let Ukrainians decide how long they want to fight? Without back-stabbing them and forcing a deal on them.


> How about we let Ukrainians decide how long they want to fight?

I understand many are not given the choice, because of conscription.


>>I wonder what it is about the liberally minded that causes a marked preference for death and decay.

It's the exact opposite - as a Pole, any kind of appeasement of Russia will cause more death and decay in the long term. The whole "oh we just need to stop fighting now to prevent more death" is stupid if Russia's intentions haven't changed. But that's just not my rambling - even Russia's generals and advisors think that conflict with NATO is "inevitable" in the next 10 years. European countries towards the EU's eastern borders also say that it's extremely likely that Russia will enter a direct conflict with NATO in 3-5 years.

If that's your point of view(and it certainly is mine) - why wouldn't you keep fighting? Why wouldn't you arm Ukraine to the absolute teeth and kick Russia out with such decisive force that that it would cripple them for a long long time financially? Negotiating a shitty "peace" deal right now sure, will stop some deaths now, but will allow Russia to re-arm, recharge, built some more alliances and in few years come up with another bullshit reason to attack Ukraine again - and maybe this time they push into Poland too, because why not. And who knows if NATO will be around to save us if needed, maybe Eternal President Trump will say we haven't spent enough GDP to deserve being saved, or that he spoke with Putin and it's all good and we should just stop resisting. After all just few days ago he was asked if Russia should keep the land they took and said that well they lost a of men fighting for that land(!!!!!!!).

It's terrifying. It's not a "liberal" mind - it's a mind of anyone whose country has been invaded by Russians in the past and can see where this is going.


How does the above argument not lead to "why not just nuke Russia today, until it stops moving"?


Notice how I don't advocate for attacking Russia - but granting Ukraine a decisive victory, where Russian forces are absolutely decimated and pushed out of the country entirely would hopefully make Russia think twice about attacking any other neighbours in that direction. If they are allowed to basically keep what they took already then it's the same as giving them a full victory - they generally don't care about loss of life, so if they keep the land taken it's the same as winning.


Because Russia also has nukes. Nuking Russia will lead to it using them. If your goal is long-term minimization of death and destruction, that's not the route to take.


Because Russia also has borders, and violating that changes the game from a defensive war to an offensive one. The international calculus changes in a way that makes it less of a principled stance — opposing Russia because it does this stuff is a pretty defensible position.

It does lead to shipping a few divisions of “advisors” to Ukraine, but that’s not here nor there.


Ah yes. What would the ever-benevolent American corporations do if we stopped shielding them from competition?

We already know what they'll do from when the same thing happened to Japanese cars in the 60s... American companies will change nothing and then jack the prices up to just below tariff increases.


Only if we have a corresponding and equal subsidy to protect laptop buyers. :-)


Would the subsidies be funded by the tariffs? If so, perhaps having the government print the vouchers ans have buyers apply for the vouchers 90 days before procurement by filling out the TF-1735 form, get the voucher, supply it to the importer who returns it to the Customs officer at point of importation, and the tariffs and vouchers will then be reconciled. Those who fail to get vouchers ahead of time can make claims in their tax filing for the current tax year. /s


You joke but China literally does this for VAT


You mean Dell, HP and Lenovo?

Heck, I could drive to the Lenovo plant on my lunch break...


https://static.lenovo.com/ww/docs/sustainability/list-of-len...

I doubt that USA factory does much more than packaging, final assembly and customization of business computers/servers.


I work for a big global company.

We have started to see customers who refuse to buy our devices if Lenovo computers were used at anytime during their manufacture.

Interesting times.


Canadians?


Reminds me of those "made in Italy" Chinese bikes assembled and painted in Italy.


Great news for System76; and great news for if the tariffs stick around. We could use more computers made in Colorado.


System76 laptops are built in China by a Taiwanese company (Clevo).

They did have plans to at least assemble laptops in America from Chinese parts (like they do for desktops), but it hasn't materialized yet as far as I know.


System76 desktops (Thelio) are manufactured in Colorado.


Presumably assembled, from components made abroad.


No; from what I understand, almost every piece that can be made in the US, is.

https://system76.com/manufacturing/


Their desktop chassis and keyboard mechanics are made in the US. Where are they getting the motherboards, CPUs, RAM, storage devices, microcontrollers, etc. from? Do you think System76 runs their own silicon fab?

And even for the parts they do acquire from domestic sources, tariffs will still drive their cost of goods up. Taxes on steel and aluminum will drive the price of steel and aluminum up in the domestic market, regardless of where it was shipped from.


Could you cite something that goes into a bit more detail?

The only claims for country-of-origin I see on that page are the "US-Sourced Materials" heading which clarifies "..using aluminum sourced from US companies."


From your link:

>Thelio desktops and Launch keyboards are designed, engineered, and manufactured at our factory in Denver, CO using aluminum sourced from US companies.

which seems to only be the metal cases/bodies.


I'd expect pretty much all the internals are not from the US. Most of them seem to have AMD chips and NVIDIA graphic cards. I'd be shocked if the motherboards, RAM, drives, etc. are manufactured in the US.

It seems one of the least complicated parts of the system, the case, is actually made in the US.


>No; from what I understand,

Then it's your understanding that needs adjustment. Advanced chips nearly all come from Taiwan. You can't have a laptop without a CPU.

Sourcing as much as they can from the US is admirable but the real power is who manufactures the advanced chips not the chassis or peripheral parts.


> almost every piece that can be made in the US, is

I do not think anyone is arguing against that, but how is it relevant here?


Every piece of the chassis, sure.

AMD CPUs, GPUs, and pretty much anything else that uses silicon are not sourced and manufactured in the US.


so the case? maybe the fans?


That means nothing lol.


So just the screws? /s


Where do you think the components that System76 uses are sourced from?


People don’t seem to realize that these are blanket tariffs.


Mostly Colorado and the US.

https://system76.com/manufacturing/


From their design files, it looks like the only things manufactured in the US are the case and the PCB for some of the I/O modules. That's absolutely commendable, it's no small feat and certainly better than nothing, but it's not "mostly" Colorado and the US by any stretch.

Plus, since the main material they use is aluminum and they try to source everything locally, tariffs actually make it more expensive to operate, and unlike in Acer's case it's coming straight out of their profits rather than adding to them through some consumer pricing gymnastics.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm not trying to belittle System76 here. 40 years of "self-regulation" have steadily eroded the US industrial base to the point where there's not much substantial expertise in this field anymore, so they're impressively close to have practically started from scratch. It's an important first step if their long-term plan is to assemble everything from locally-sourced material.


That’s referring to the cases, not the components.

The cases are made in the US and the machines are assembled in the US. Everything else is likely imported.


Where does that page say anything about the components?

(As an aside: there is a special place in Web Developer Hell for people who break the ability to middle-click a link to open it in a new tab, that page being an egregious example.)


The chassis is made in the USA and what essentially is a fan controller circuit board.

Everything else is foreign components it looks like to me.

Not super exciting really. An aluminum case is nice and all, but really not material to the overall PC as a whole. It’s at least a start and better than nothing, but you’re talking 5-10% of total system cost at most.


Only for the Thelio desktops and Launch keyboards


Ah yes amd and Nvidia gpus made in Colorado


I couldn't pretend to be this stupid if I was being held at gunpoint.




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