>So, give them a court order to board a flight? Like if they are willing to prove their illegal status why is detention needed?
You either don't read what I wrote or it does not get through. These people were already given the order to leave the country by a date and they disobeyed it. Now they are in the removal proceedings, which consists of detaining them and transporting them out of the country. Detention is needed because to remove somebody from the country you need to detain them so you could transport them over the border. As I said, we don't have a teleport ray which we could point and make them to disappear and reappear in their home.
>Yeah its a civil matter, so there shouldn't be detention. Great point.
Why there should not be detention? I don't see how it follows. Are you unaware of civil detention/arrest? Can't you just read the Wikipedia or anything other than reddit/twitter before making absurd statements?
>Also, have you considered that the arbitrary detention is the reason someone might refuse to attend?
Attend what? I am sure they have many reasons to stay in my country so what?
>Whoever is sending ICE to detain people raises the case on behalf of the government?
Case of what? Of applying the existing law? "Your Honor, the law tells us to deport these aliens and we are able to do that but, just for shit and giggles, we want you to give them an order to leave and see what happens. Yes, we do respect the law and the court. No, we are not drunk or high. Just do this, please!"
> Just off the top of my head, criminal contempt, due to violation of the court order, would prevent almost any attempt at legal reentry?
And? There literally tens of millions of illegal immigrants who don't care about any of this.
>Invoking reddit is the most reddit thing you can do.
I trust you, I don't use reddit and can only indirectly observe redditors on HN.
>Yeah, but the system is clearly deranged and we are discussing that obvious derangement.
Okay. Here is my argument: the system is not deranged. I win.
You either don't read what I wrote or it does not get through. These people were already given the order to leave the country by a date and they disobeyed it. Now they are in the removal proceedings, which consists of detaining them and transporting them out of the country. Detention is needed because to remove somebody from the country you need to detain them so you could transport them over the border. As I said, we don't have a teleport ray which we could point and make them to disappear and reappear in their home.
>Yeah its a civil matter, so there shouldn't be detention. Great point.
Why there should not be detention? I don't see how it follows. Are you unaware of civil detention/arrest? Can't you just read the Wikipedia or anything other than reddit/twitter before making absurd statements?
>Also, have you considered that the arbitrary detention is the reason someone might refuse to attend?
Attend what? I am sure they have many reasons to stay in my country so what?
>Whoever is sending ICE to detain people raises the case on behalf of the government?
Case of what? Of applying the existing law? "Your Honor, the law tells us to deport these aliens and we are able to do that but, just for shit and giggles, we want you to give them an order to leave and see what happens. Yes, we do respect the law and the court. No, we are not drunk or high. Just do this, please!"
> Just off the top of my head, criminal contempt, due to violation of the court order, would prevent almost any attempt at legal reentry?
And? There literally tens of millions of illegal immigrants who don't care about any of this.
>Invoking reddit is the most reddit thing you can do.
I trust you, I don't use reddit and can only indirectly observe redditors on HN.
>Yeah, but the system is clearly deranged and we are discussing that obvious derangement.
Okay. Here is my argument: the system is not deranged. I win.