Have we really been having that discussion? Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention, but I was unaware that we were anally raping prisoners under the pretense of "feeding" and "hydrating." In fact the media dog and pony show about the hunger strikes specifically said nasal intubation for feeding, which was presented as being unpleasant but an humane manner of keeping the prisoners alive.

Couple that with the revelations that we have tortured at least one prisoner to death, and I think there is plenty of cause for the dialog about torture to continue.